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Date:         Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:21:15 -0800
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AERA-L: Politics and Policy in Education Forum If you reply to this long (24 kB) post please don't hit the reply button unless you prune the copy of this post that may appear in your reply down to a few relevant lines, otherwise the entire already archived post may be needlessly resent to subscribers. [Note: this is a slightly improved version of the post with the same title transmitted to Chemed-L, PhysLrnR, and POD on 30 January 2008.] ****************************************** ABSTRACT: Among the thoughtful responses to my post "Re: pre-to-post tests as measures of learning/teaching" were those of POD's Ed Nuhfer and Chemed-L's Logan McCarty. Nuhfer implied that there are people who proclaim multiple choice tests to be the standard for determining quality of education, but I know of no one outside politics who's stupid enough to make such an absurd proclamation. McCarty argued that: (1) the highest form of learning that we achieve in introductory courses is *skills* not facts or concepts; (2) pre/post testing inevitably promotes "teaching to the test"; (3) he (Logan) could employ traditional non-interactive teaching methods in such a way that his students would do well on tests such the Force Concept Inventory (FCI); (4) the FCI is "incredibly narrowly focused"; (5) Newtonian concepts hinder students' understanding in non-Newtonian areas; (6) "concepts" are at a lower level of Bloom's taxonomy than "skills"; and (7) writing ability can't be tested with multiple choice tests. I argue that McCarty is wrong on all 7 counts and has therefore flunked his pretest ;-). ****************************************** Among the thoughtful responses to my post "Re: pre-to-post tests as measures of learning/teaching"[Hake (2008)] were those of POD's Ed Nuhfer (below under "N") and Chemed-L's Logan McCarty (below under "M"). I respond below to their comments: NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN Ed Nuhfer (2008) in his POD post of 28 January 2008 wrote (my CAPS): "I wonder, AMONG THOSE WHO PROCLAIM MULTIPLE CHOICE TESTS AS THE STANDARD OF DETERMINING QUALITY OF EDUCATION, how many ask in interviews about how well a candidate scores on multiple choice tests? How many position announcements can we find that call for hiring a person who scores high on multiple choice tests? Unless believing one's own rhetoric can lead to acting on it in practical ways, the rhetoric needs to be set aside while one builds a better model." But I know of no one outside politics who's stupid enough to make such an absurd proclamation. For courses in Newtonian mechanics, diagnostic tests such as the Force Concept Inventory (FCI) [Hestenes et al. (1992)] or Force Motion Concept Evaluation (FMCE) [Thornton & Sokoloff (1998)] are understood by most physicists to measure only the attainment of a *minimal* conceptual understanding of mechanics, *not* the overall quality of a mechanics course. As indicated in the suppressed "Interactive-engagement methods in introductory mechanics courses" [Hake (1998b)], among desirable outcomes of an introductory physics course that the average normalized gain <g> *does not* measure directly are students': (a) satisfaction with and interest in physics; (b) understanding of the nature, methods, and limitations of science; (c) understanding of the processes of scientific inquiry such as experimental design, control of variables, dimensional analysis, order-of-magnitude estimation, thought experiments, hypothetical reasoning, graphing, and error analysis; (d) ability to articulate their knowledge and learning processes; (e) ability to collaborate and work in groups; (f) communication skills; (g) ability to solve real-world problems; (h) understanding of the history of science and the relationship of science to society and other disciplines; (i) understanding of, or at least appreciation for, "modern" physics; (j) ability to participate in authentic research. MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM Logan McCarty (2008) in his Chemed-L post of 28 January 2008 made 7 points to which I shall respond: 1111111111111111111111111111111111111 1. "What I am puzzled by is the *sole* focus on 'understanding concepts' (as demonstrated by the ability to answer multiple-choice questions correctly) in contrast to 'demonstrating skills.' I think that - in chemistry at least - the highest form of learning that we achieve in introductory courses are *skills*, not facts or concepts." Later in his post McCarty invokes the outdated Bloom's (1956) taxonomy to place "skills" (that McCarty equates with "Application, Analysis, and Synthesis" above "Concepts" in the learning hierarchy. But that ordering is not consistent with the modern version of Bloom's taxonomy [Anderson & Krathwohl (2001)] as discussed below in "6." In any case, gains on formative diagnostic tests such as the FCI and the FMCE are *not* the sole focus of most introductory mechanics courses. Instead many of the objectives (a-j) listed in my response to Nuhfer above are addressed. For example: (a) at Arizona State University <http://modeling.asu.edu/> the emphasis is on "modeling"; (b) the University of Minnesota <http://groups.physics.umn.edu/physed/Research/CRP/crintro.html>, emphasizes "context-rich problems"; and (c) Indiana University <http://www.physics.indiana.edu/~sdi>, emphasizes Socratic Dialogue Inducing (SDI) Labs which, in addition to addressing concepts, were designed to enhance students': (1) understanding of the nature of science; (2) use of effective strategies for scientific thinking and problem-solving; and (3) research skills such as collaborative effort, drawing, written description, thought experiments, modeling, consideration of limiting conditions, experimental design, control of variables, dimensional analysis, and solution of real-world problems. 22222222222222222222222222222222222222 2. "I think that pre/post testing is all fine and good, but it will *inevitably* lead to "teaching to the test." Logan evidently thinks that "teaching to the test" is NOT "fine and good." So he must be using the phrase "teaching to the test" to mean going over questions or problems identical or nearly identical to the test items. I think he is flat wrong to believe that such unprincipled practice is an inevitable outcome of pre/post testing. As I indicted in Hake (2008), pre/post testing physics in the courses surveyed in Hake (1998a,b) was not summative, but FORMATIVE as defined by the Joint Committee on Standards for Educational Evaluation, JCSEE (1994): "Formative evaluation is evaluation designed and used to improve an object, especially when it is still being developed." This is also the case in more current courses of which I'm aware. Both teachers' "action research" and education researchers' scientific research is carried out to improve classroom teaching and learning, NOT to rate instructors, students, or institutions. Thus "teaching to the test," in the sense of telegraphing answers to questions on the test, would be highly counterproductive and serve no useful purpose. In fact, the use of pre/post testing to gauge the effectiveness of high-school and undergraduate courses in promoting students' conceptual understanding has succeeded in part because it is strictly formative. Of course if "teaching to the test" means giving students some understanding of the basic concepts of Newtonian mechanics as examined on the FCI or FMCE tests, then "teaching to the test" is certainly "fine and good," as I have previously discussed [Hake (1998a, 2002)]. One of the virtues of pre/post testing with tests that measure the essentials is that it does encourage "teaching to the test" in that positive sense. 3333333333333333333333333333333333333 3. "I assure you that if my goal is to get students to answer conceptual multiple-choice questions correctly, I could do so with a wide variety of teaching methods (some interactive, some not)." If Logan can teach a mechanics course in the traditional non-interactive passive-student lecture mode (without telegraphing answers to the FCI questions) so that his students achieve an average normalized gain <g> on the FCI greater than, say, 0.3, he will go down in the "Guinness Book of Records" <http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/records/default.aspx> as the first instructor in the entire World to do so, and will have exceeded the <g> = 0.23 for traditional teaching set in 1990 by his Harvard colleague Eric Mazur [see, e.g. Crouch & Mazur (2001)]. 44444444444444444444444444444444444444 4. "I'm happy to "teach to the test"-- indeed sometimes I try to do that by writing the exam first and then building the lectures -- but I'm not willing to teach to a test that is so incredibly narrowly focused as the Force Concept Inventory." It's true that the Force Concept Inventory (FCI) is narrowly focused on concepts, vis.: Newton's three laws, just as are most introductory mechanics courses. Does McCarty think that a better pre/post test would focus on material that is not the focus of the course? Or would he teach an introductory mechanics course that ignores Newton's laws in favor of focusing on what he calls "skills"? Many traditional physics instructors think that introductory physics courses should focus on the "skill" of *problem solving.* They assign vast numbers of back-of-chapter problems and devote lectures and "recitations" to going over problem solutions. Sorry guys, pre/post testing demonstrates that "Students do not overcome conceptual difficulties after solving 1000 traditional problems" [Kim & Pak (2002)]. 555555555555555555555555555555555555555 5. "Physicists love Newtonian physics. But guess what: if you're a cell, and you're immersed in a fluid (so that it's a low Reynolds number environment) then -- presto! -- you're in an entirely Aristotelian environment! The "natural state" of motion is to be at rest - velocity is proportional to force - and all of those other "bad things" that we try to drill out of our students' heads. Sorry, guys, but the 'conceptual intuition' that you're trying to teach in Newtonian mechanics is not much use to a cell biologist!" Sorry Logan, but physics students (future cell biologists among them) who have some understanding of Newtonian mechanics are at an *advantage*, rather than a disadvantage, in adapting to non-Newtonian environments such as those with low Reynolds number [Purcell (1976)]; those of special relativity: velocities approaching c; and those of quantum mechanics: dimensions approaching the atomic. In fact, all three areas are often introduced in introductory physics courses as natural extensions of Newtonian mechanics. 6666666666666666666666666666666666666666 6. "I appeal finally to Bloom's taxonomy: Hake is describing tests and courses that get to the levels of Knowledge and Comprehension, but no further. I want to get the students to Application, Analysis, and Synthesis. I can't see any way (unfortunately!) of testing these *skills* using a multiple-choice test." Logan's ordering: Knowledge and Comprehension, Application, Analysis, and Synthesis indicate that he is appealing to the original version of Bloom's Taxonomy [Bloom et al. (1956)] and not the Bloom's Taxonomy updated by Anderson & Krathwohl (2001). [The latter, in Fig. A.1, page 268, provide a "Summary of the Structural Changes form the Original Framework to the Revision."] The latter incorporates the important post-1956 insights of cognitive science [see e.g., Bransford et al. (2001)]. As shown on the inside FRONT cover of their book, Anderson & Krathwohl distinguish FOUR "Knowledge Dimensions": Factual, Conceptual, Procedural, and Meta-Cognitive; with each type having a "cognitive process dimension" (see inside the BACK cover of their book). A related distinction has been emphasized by the late Arnold Arons (1983) who wrote: "Researchers in cognitive development describe two principal classes of knowledge: figurative (or declarative) and operative (or procedural) [Anderson (1980)) . . .[the most recent version is Anderson (2004)]. . . ; Lawson (1982)]. DECLARATIVE KNOWLEDGE CONSISTS OF KNOWING 'FACTS'; for example, that the moon shines by reflected sunlight, that the earth and planets revolve around the sun . . . . OPERATIVE (OR PROCEDURAL) KNOWLEDGE, ON THE OTHER HAND, INVOLVES UNDERSTANDING THE SOURCE OF SUCH DECLARATIVE KNOWLEDGE (How do we know the moon shines by reflected sunlight? Why do we believe the earth and planets revolve around the sun when appearances suggest that everything revolves around the earth? . . . .) and the capacity to use, apply, transform, or recognize the relevance of the declarative knowledge to new or unfamiliar situations." The FCI and FMCE *do* in fact measure operative or procedural knowledge, near the top of the updated Bloom's "Knowledge Dimension" [Anderson & Krathwohl (2001)]. 777777777777777777777777777777777777777 7. [Testing "skills" with a multiple choice test (MCT]. . . . . would be like testing writing using a [MCT]. Sorry, but it just doesn't work. Sorry, Logan, it *does* work, at least in a restricted sense. Although MCT's would probably not be able to distinguish the Hemingways from the Hack-a-ways, MCT's will at least distinguish those who understand Trigg's (1979) Rules of Grammar from those who don't. Richard Hake, Emeritus Professor of Physics, Indiana University 24245 Hatteras Street, Woodland Hills, CA 91367 Honorary Member, Curmudgeon Lodge of Deventer, The Netherlands. <[log in to unmask]> <http://www.physics.indiana.edu/~hake> <http://www.physics.indiana.edu/~sdi> "Conflict is the gadfly of thought. It stirs us to observation and memory. It instigates to invention. It shocks us out of sheep-like passivity, and sets us at noting and contriving. Not that it always effects this result; but that conflict is a sine qua non of reflection and ingenuity." John Dewey "Morals Are Human," Dewey: Middle Works, Vol.14, p. 207. REFERENCES Anderson, J.R. 2004. "Cognitive Psychology and Its Implications." Worth Publishers, 6th edition; Amazon.com information at <http://tinyurl.com/2qrgu6>. Anderson, L.W. & D.R. Krathwohl, eds. 2001. "A Taxonomy for Learning, Teaching, and Assessing: A Revision of Bloom's Taxonomy of Educational Objectives." Longman. Amazon.com information at <http://tinyurl.com/35s9yt>. Arons, A.B. 1983. "Achieving Wider Scientific Literacy," Daedalus, Spring; reprinted in Arons (1990, 1997)). Arons wrote: "Researchers in cognitive development describe two principle classes of knowledge: figurative (or declarative) and OPERATIVE (or procedural). See also the suppressed "Arons Advocated Method" Hake (2004). Arons, A.B. 1990. "A Guide to Introductory Physics Teaching." Wiley, reprinted with minor updates in Arons (1997). Arons, A.B. 1997. "Teaching Introductory Physics." Wiley. Contains a slightly updated version of Arons (1990), plus "Homework and Test Questions for Introductory Physics Teaching", plus a new monograph "Introduction to Classical Conservation Laws." Amazon.com information at <http://tinyurl.com/2y4qse>. Note the "Search Inside" feature. Bloom, B.S., M.D. Englehart, E.J. Furst, W.H. Hill, & D.R. Krathwohl. 1956. "Taxonomy of educational objectives: The classification of educational goals: Handbook I, Cognitive domain." David McKay. Bransford, J.D., A.L. Brown, & R.R. Cocking, eds. 2000. "How people learn: brain, mind, experience, and school." Nat. Acad. Press; online at <http://books.nap.edu/books/0309070368/html/index.html>. Crouch, C.H. & E. Mazur. 2001. "Peer Instruction: Ten years of experience and results," Am. J.Phys. 69: 970-977; online at <http://web.mit.edu/jbelcher/www/TEALref/Crouch_Mazur.pdf> (284 kB). Hake, R.R. 1998a. "Interactive-engagement vs traditional methods: A six thousand-student survey of mechanics test data for introductory physics courses," Am. J. Phys. 66(1): 64-74; online at <http://www.physics.indiana.edu/~sdi/ajpv3i.pdf> (84 kB). See also the crucial companion paper Hake (1998b). Hake, R.R. 1998b. "Interactive-engagement methods in introductory mechanics courses," online at <http://www.physics.indiana.edu/~sdi/IEM-2b.pdf> (108 kB) - a crucial companion paper to Hake (1998a). Hake, R.R. 2002. "Comment on 'How do we know if we are doing a good job in physics teaching?' by Robert Ehrlich," Am. J. Phys. 70(10): 1058-1059; online at <http://www.physics.indiana.edu/~hake/HakeOnEhrlich-2.pdf> (40 kB). Hake, R.R. 2004. "The Arons Advocated Method," submitted to the "American Journal of Physics" on 24 April 2004; online as reference 31 at <http://www.physics.indiana.edu/~hake>, or download directly as a 144 kB pdf by clicking on <http://www.physics.indiana.edu/~hake/AronsAdvMeth-8.pdf>. Hake, R.R. 2007. "Over Sixty Academic Discussion Lists: List Addresses and URL's for Archives & Search Engines," online at <http://www.physics.indiana.edu/~hake/ADL-F.pdf> (580 kB), and as ref. 49 at <http://www.physics.indiana.edu/~hake>. Hake, R.R. 2008. "Re: pre-to-post tests as measures of learning/teaching" online at the OPEN AERA-J <http://tinyurl.com/3booqj>. Post of 28 Jan 2008 17:33:48-0800 to AERA-L, Chemed-L, PhysLrnR, & POD; and (with several typos corrected) to AERA-J on 29 Jan 2008 11:19:05-0800. Abstract only sent on 29 January to AERA-A, AERA-B, AERA-C, AERA-D, AERA-GS; AERA-H, AERA-I, AERA-K, AP-Biology, AP-Calculus, AP-Chemistry, ARN-L, ASSESS, Biopi-L, Biolab (rejected), DrEd, EdResMeth, EvalTalk, IFETS, ITForum (rejected), Math-Learn, Math-Teach, NetGold, PBL, Physhare, Phys-L, PsychTeacher (rejected), RUME, SCListserv, STLHE-L, TeachingEdPsych, TIPS, and WBTOLL-L. For a guide to discussion lists see Hake (2007)]. Hestenes, D., M. Wells, & G. Swackhamer. 1992. "Force Concept Inventory," The Physics Teacher 30(3): 141-158, March; online (except for the test itself) at <http://modeling.asu.edu/R&E/Research.html>. The 1995 revision by Halloun, Hake, Mosca, & Hestenes is online (password protected) at the same URL, and is currently available in 15 languages: Chinese, Czech, English, Finnish, German, Greek, Italian, Malaysian, Persian, Portuguese, Russian, Slovak, Spanish, Swedish, & Turkish. A French version should soon be available. JCSEE. 1994. Joint Committee on Standards for Educational Evaluation, "The Program Evaluation Standards," 2nd ed., Sage. A glossary of evaluation terms from this publication is online at <http://ec.wmich.edu/glossary/prog-glossary.htf>. Kim, E. & S-J Pak. 2002 "Students do not overcome conceptual difficulties after solving 1000 traditional problems," Am. J. Phys. 70(7): 759-765; online to subscribers at <http://scitation.aip.org/dbt/dbt.jsp?KEY=AJPIAS&Volume=70&Issue=7>. Lawson, A.E. 1982. "The Reality of General Cognitive Operations," Sci. Ed. 66: 229. With regard to declarative and procedural knowledge see also Lawson (2000). Lawson, A.E. 2000. "Science Teaching and the Development of Thinking." Eos Publishing. Amazon.com information at <http://tinyurl.com/223xy3>. McCarty, L. 2008. "Re: pre-to-post tests as measures of learning/teaching" Chemed-L post of 28 Jan 2008 21:34:20-0500; online at <http://mailer.uwf.edu/listserv/wa.exe?A2=ind0801&L=chemed-l&D=1&O=D&P=24904>.To access the archives of Chemed-L it may be necessary to subscribe, but that takes only a few minutes by clicking on <http://mailer.uwf.edu/archives/chemed-l.html>> and then clicking on "Join or leave the list (or change settings)." If you're busy, then subscribe using the "NOMAIL" option under "Miscellaneous." Then, as a subscriber, you may access the archives and/or post messages at any time, while receiving NO MAIL from the list! Nuhfer, E. 2008. "Re: pre-to-post tests as measures of learning/teaching," POD post of 28 Jan 2008 21:36:12-0800; online at <http://listserv.nd.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0801&L=pod&P=23649>. Purcell, E.M. 1976. "Life at Low Reynolds Number," webified by J. Brody; online at <http://jilawww.colorado.edu/perkinsgroup/Purcell_life_at_low_reynolds_number.pdf> (124 kB). Richoux, D. 2002 . "Humorous Rules for Writing_('Fumblerules,' 'Perverse Rules,' etc.)," June 18; online at <http://alt-usage-english.org/humorousrules.html>. This is from the Alternate Usage English (AUE) Newsgroup <http://alt-usage-english.org/index.shtml>. Thornton, R.K. 1995. "Conceptual Dynamics: Changing Student Views of Force and Motion," in "Thinking Physics for Teaching," C. Bernardini, C. Tarsitani, & M. Vicentini, eds. Plenum. Amazon.com information at <http://tinyurl.com/3dh84u>. Thornton, R.K. & D.R. Sokoloff. 1998. "Assessing student learning of Newton's Laws: The force and motion conceptual evaluation and the evaluation of active learning laboratory and lecture curricula," Am. J. Phys. 66(4): 338-352; online to subscribers at <http://scitation.aip.org/dbt/dbt.jsp?KEY=AJPIAS&Volume=66&Issue=4>. See also Thornton (1995). Trigg, G.L. 1979. "Grammar," Physical Review Letters 42(12): 747-748, 19 March; online to subscribers at <http://prola.aps.org/toc/PRL/v42/i12>. 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